User talk:ArbyBB

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File:Juarez and 11 men.jpg[edit]

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File:Juarez and 11 men.jpg has been listed at Commons:Deletion requests so that the community can discuss whether it should be kept or not. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry.

If you created this file, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for deletion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it, such as a copyright issue. Please see Commons:But it's my own work! for a guide on how to address these issues.

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Timtrent (talk) 21:55, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are useful comments at this discussion. I have sent this message in case you are not receiving pings (it will alert you more proactively than a ping, assuming you have set up the email alert mechanism). If you are not then you should monitor the discussion closely and contribute to it. Timtrent (talk) 08:28, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notification about possible deletion[edit]

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And also:

Yours sincerely, JopkeB (talk) 13:24, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JopkeB
I'm going to cut and paste material that I think permits me to take photos of the mural that my article is about and to use these photos in my Wikipedia article.
Perhaps there is no new information below for you and you have other thoughts and documents to back up you thought that the images should be deleted. I'm putting all the raw information below for your information and for the information of others.
As you can imagine, without these images, I will be required to remove my article. So this is a serious matter.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama
Freedom of panorama (FOP) is a provision in the copyright laws of various jurisdictions that permits taking photographs and video footage and creating other images (such as paintings) of buildings and sometimes sculptures and other art works which are permanently located in a public place, without infringing on any copyright that may otherwise subsist in such works, and the publishing of such images. Panorama freedom statutes or case law limit the right of the copyright owner to take action for breach of copyright against the creators and distributors of such images. It is an exception to the normal rule that the copyright owner has the exclusive right to authorize the creation and distribution of derivative works. The phrase is derived from the German term Panoramafreiheit ("panorama freedom").
From the same document
Mexico[edit]
The copyright law of Mexico provides for a freedom of panorama provision at Article 148(VII):
Article 148. - Literary and artistic works that have already been disclosed may only be used in the following cases without the consent of the owner of the economic rights and without remuneration, provided that the normal exploitation of the work is not adversely affected thereby and provided also that the source is invariably mentioned and that no alteration is made to the work:
VII. Reproduction, communication and distribution by means of drawings, paintings, photographs and audiovisual processes of works that are visible from public places.
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Freedom of panorama[edit]
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Mexico

The photographical reproduction of this work is covered under the article 148, VII of the Mexican copyright law (Ley Federal de Derechos de Autor), which states that
«Literary and artistic works already published may be used, provided that normal commercialization of the work is not affected, without authorization from the copyrightholder and without remuneration, invariably citing the source and without altering the work, only in the following cases: […]
VII. Reproduction, communication, and distribution by means of drawings, paintings, photographs, and audiovisual means of works visible from public places». See COM:CRT/Mexico#Freedom of panorama for more information.

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Mexico's federal copyright law, Article 148, allows reproduction without compensation in certain circumstances:
Literary and artistic works that have already been disclosed may only be used in the following cases without the consent of the owner of the economic rights and without remuneration, provided that the normal exploitation of the work is not adversely affected thereby and provided also that the source is invariably mentioned and that no alteration is made to the work:"[1996-2018 Art.148]
Reproduction, communication and distribution by means of drawings, paintings, photographs and audiovisual processes of works that are visible from public places (lugares publicos).[1996-2018 Art.148(VII)]
The term lugares publicos has been interpreted to include both interior and exterior public places. Government-owned places such as libraries, markets, parks and public gardens have no restrictions against freedom of panorama. However, due to the ambiguity of the article, on some occasions, some establishments like the Mexico City Metro (a government-owned system) have required users to request permission to film or photograph inside the facilities. The Federal Law of Telecom and Broadcasting also uses the term "public places". It defines public places as: "...those that are in the charge of dependencies of federal, state or municipal entities, or under public programs of any one of the three orders of government..." Public places under this law (page 7) would include:
Schools, Universities, and every kind of building used for education;
Clinics, Hospitals, and every kind of building used for health care;
Government offices of all types;
Community Centers;
Free admission and open places such as parks, green areas and sports centers
Places that collaborate in public federal programs.
Hope this helps ArbyBB (talk) 17:21, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@ArbyBB The article's retention is a matter for the version of Wikipedia where it is published. Note, please, that it is not your article, but is Wikipedia's. The statement that you will be forced to remove it is capable of interpretation as some form of threat, something you must not make. It would behove you to retract that. Even if you do not do so it will make no difference to the administrative decisions to keep or delete these files. Files on Commons are treated entirely on their merits. Timtrent (talk) 19:58, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You should also note that arguments for or against deletion must be made at the deletion discussion. Your user talk page will not be considered in the discussion. Timtrent (talk) 20:00, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Timtrent,
Thanks for the clarification about the text not being my article. I get it.
My thinking was that without images the article is meaningless. Perhaps there is a work around for that.
Thanks for your interest and for taking the time to explain the functioning of Wikipedia. ArbyBB (talk) 20:35, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Timtrent
Thanks for the tip that my comments about deletion of my images will not be considered when they are placed only on User talk page.
Would it be possible to direct me to the area where I should place my comments?
You might gather from other gaffs that I have made that I'm trying to learn how to navigate here.
Thanks for your interest and help. ArbyBB (talk) 20:41, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see you have found the deletion discussion. Thank you for leaving your comments there, where they will be considered by the administrator who closes the discussion.
The article itself is of no interest to Commons, I'm afraid. I'm aware that Commons looks similar to Wikipedia, but each has a different function. Commons is a repository for files that are freely licensed. Wikipedia(s) are repositories for articles. Those articles may call on files from Commons. Various Wikipedias also hold files, and each has its own rules for doing so.
Articles need to be discussed on the relevant Wikipedia
I appreciate that this can cause confusion. Timtrent (talk) 23:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Timtrent Thanks for your efforts to facilitate smooth communication in Wikipedia. The concept of Wikipedia is wonderful. I was reminded of that recently. The idea behind the article i started in Wikipedia was to provide information to tourists visiting Oaxaca, Mexico. But the other night in a conversation with an 18 year old in Mexico, I showed him the page and he was very interested. He talked about his teacher taking him there. I realize now that with a Spanish version of the article in the hands of teachers in Oaxaca they will have another tool to teach the history of Oaxaca and Mexico. In turn, we can hope that these teachers and others will contribute to the article. ArbyBB007 (talk) 00:11, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The answer is to work on the article(s) on the relevant language versions of Wikipedia so that the pictures are interesting but are not essential to the article. In that way the existence or not of a picture to illustrate a point becomes useful but not important. This is a genuinely interesting writing task, and is real work.
Regrettably, the Commons threshold for inclusion has nothing to do with whether a file is interesting. Commons is only concerned with whether a picture is in scope - See Commons:Scope - and whether it is licenced correctly and lawfully. It is a rigorous environment where opinions must yield to facts. Timtrent (talk) 08:55, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]